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45-85

Post by davelarue » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:40 am

Hi, I've been trying to reasearch the 45-85 Marlin cartridge. I'm finding alot of conflicting information. I've seen reference to a 45-85 Ballard. I don't have Dutcher's book yet. Has anyone seen a Ballard marked 45-85, or seen a cartridge with a 45-85 Ballard headstamp? Thanks, Dave

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Re: 45-85

Post by Sure-Shot » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:36 am

Cartridges of the World, 10th Edition. 2003, states:40-85 Ballard, 40-90 Ballard. "40-85 and 40-90 Ballard are the same case with different loadings. L.D. Satterlee lists the 40-90 Everlasting with the J.M. Marlin Ballard Pacific No. 5 and Sporting No. 4 1/2 (introduced 1878). He shows the 40-85 chambering for the Pacific No. 5 after the Marlin Fire Arms Co. took over manufature in 1881" ... "The same loading data can be used for both cases, however they are not interchangable. Although the case of the 40-85 Ballard is longer, it has the same body as the 444 marlin case. It should be possible to make usable, albeit shorter, cases from those.These rifles had chambers designed to use a 0.403-inch (bore diameter), paper-patched bullet. Groove diameter typically ran 0.408 inch to 0.411 inch."

If you do a search I believe there was a prior post that discussed making the 40-85 using the 444 case.
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Re: 45-85

Post by davelarue » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:41 pm

Sure-Shot wrote:Cartridges of the World, 10th Edition. 2003, states:40-85 Ballard, 40-90 Ballard. "40-85 and 40-90 Ballard are the same case with different loadings. L.D. Satterlee lists the 40-90 Everlasting with the J.M. Marlin Ballard Pacific No. 5 and Sporting No. 4 1/2 (introduced 1878). He shows the 40-85 chambering for the Pacific No. 5 after the Marlin Fire Arms Co. took over manufature in 1881" ... "The same loading data can be used for both cases, however they are not interchangable. Although the case of the 40-85 Ballard is longer, it has the same body as the 444 marlin case. It should be possible to make usable, albeit shorter, cases from those.These rifles had chambers designed to use a 0.403-inch (bore diameter), paper-patched bullet. Groove diameter typically ran 0.408 inch to 0.411 inch."

If you do a search I believe there was a prior post that discussed making the 40-85 using the 444 case.
Thanks Sure-shot, I've got a 40-85 Ballard, but I was asking about 45-85. :)

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Re: 45-85

Post by marlinman93 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:55 pm

So many Ballards were not marked for caliber, so even if one had a Ballard chambered for this caliber, it might not have any stamp to indicate what it was. I'd venture a guess that more than 2/3 of my Ballards are not marked as to caliber.-Vall
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Re: 45-85

Post by Sure-Shot » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:56 pm

Sorry, misread it of course. 45-82, 45-85, 45-90 and 45-90 High Velocity although often listed seperately are all different loads and bullet weights in the same 45-90 case. Made for the 1886 repeater (Winchester) or the 1885 single shot it was introduced in 1895 and discontinued about 1936. Almost identical to 45-70 except longer and 45-70 was comonly used if other ammo was not available. Cartirdges of the World. I think my eyes connect to my brain differently as I age. Randy
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Re: 45-85

Post by davelarue » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:38 pm

I'm not positive, but I think the 45-85 for the Marlin 1881, Ballard, and Colt Lightning was based on the 45-70 case. I think it's another caliber that Winchester hijacked, and made based on the 45-90 case.

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Re: 45-85

Post by Hunt4em » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:17 pm

Dave,
Dutcher's book only lists the .45-100 Ballard and the 11th edition of Cartridges of the World lists the .45-85 as Winchester. I have a couple of old .40-85 ballard rounds that are loaded and at some point bumped out to .45-?? . Old Ballard rebored to .45 or an old wildcatter experimenting, the Lord only knows! Maybe the old cartridges once belong to your gun. :wink:

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Re: 45-85

Post by Roundsworth » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:24 am

The 45-85 was used by Marlin, Bullard and Colt with the 2-1/10" case. The bullets were 285 grains and 295 grains. I don't collect metallic cartridges anymore, and am quoting these facts from memory, as my reference books have been sold. Cheers!
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