short barrel 93@94's

[marlin 1893]

The trapper barrel thing got me interested in the short barrel 93@94's there doesn't seem to be very much info. about how many and what time frame on these rifles . What info is out there.

[Regnier (gunrunner)]

Marlin 1893;

It will not be just 1893's/'93's and 1894's/'94's that were produced with short barrels. There are Model 1889's and 1895's as well. The records show 367 15 inch barreled Model 1889's. The records also show 12 Model 1895's with 15 inch barrels. Brophy states that there are 86 short barrel Model 1893 (this figure cannot be complete as if I remember correctly, there are more than that in the BATF&E listing) and 997 Model 1894 short barrel guns. I would find it hard to believe that there are more 1895's than 1893's. Since the records end in December of 1906, there would have had to be quite a number of 1893's made after that date and cleared by BATF&E over the years. So, there will be no definitive answer to your question as the records are so incomplete. Short barrel guns are listed in the catalogs up to 1917, so apparently they were available up to then.

[marlin 1893]

Look's like long after 1917;It took me a while to go back through my reading's but I finnaly found what I was looking for.If you will go to google and type in marlin 1893 trapper you will find 2 posting's that I would like you to see;Rare Marlin Model 1893 Model carbine; next one; Extremley Rare Marlin 93 lever action saddle ring trapper.
This is an old posting but it comes up for me .I will try to put these pictures up later.Both guns have sold some time ago no matter there.They give all the info. you will need. They were sold through Rock Island arms.The main thing I want is to look closely at those barrels use your Zoom. They Both have been cleared through ATF I know it is hard to judge something from a picture but to me it is clear to what might have took place.Please let me no what you think. Also you can go to Leroy merz web site they have a nice 94 Trapper with the serial no. given and it seems to date to about 1929. Parley may want the ser. numbers as well.

[Parley Baer]

I have 4 listed for the Model 93 and one for the Model 94 so far. So some were assembled in the 1920's.

[marlin 1893]

You already have the numbers off the 93's on your sheet

[marlin 1893]

One thing I forget to say is be sure and look at the letters with these two rifles.The one from the ATF appears it could be correct. The one From Marlin is the one to look at closely. Where William S. Brophy first refers to these rifles as {TRAPPERS] second he makes no mention of serial no. on these rifles and last just signs his name Bill. This is really worth looking at I only wish I could post it on this web site. I could use some help there. Thanks+

[Regnier (gunrunner)]

Marlin 1893;

You are correct on the letters. Bill Brophy hated the term "trapper" when it came to a Marlin carbine. That is why I remind everyone that Marlin did not use that term having known Bill for a number of years. The only time he signed his name "Bill" on a letter was to people he knew personally, not just a one time acquaintance.

Parley;

Are any of the short barrel carbines marked with a Corporation barrel, or are they Company barrels?

[Parley Baer]

Hi Rick

Interesting point. Of the 93's two I was not able to get that information. Of the other two one has a "Company" barrel of 15" and one has a "Corporation" barrel of 16". All are carbines. I was unable to get that information on the Model 94.

[marlin 1893]

Parley the two rifles ser.#c2231&3375 you have them your sheet.They are the two rifles that I have listed on this site. They are listed to both have CO. barrels hope this helps.

[Regnier (gunrunner)]

Marlin 1893;

Bill Goodman of Bozeman, Mt. has one of the Chilean Police short barrel carbines for sale. It is not the best of condition, but it is honest and priced reasonably. You can find him at http://www.goodmanguns.com This one has the clearance papers and was one of several made for the Chilean Police. There was an overun of these carbines, and Marlin offered them for several years on their "Dealer Bargain Sheets" put out between 1907 and 1915.

[Bear 45/70]

I'm still wondering why no one suggests he applies to the ATF for SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) . IIRC, it cost $200 to get one and you can put a short barrel on a rifle. They also allow it for shotguns too.

[marlin 1893]

I can't help but wonder Why every one refers to them as trappe'rs that know the differance.But then it came to me as why they might.If you were listing a rifle to sell which of these would draw the most attention.

For sale: Marlin short barreled carbine

For sale: Marlin TRAPPER

[marlin 1893]

thanks bear for the info;I wouldn't care to have a short barreled rifle but the main point i was after from the start of this was to see if there was any way on to make certian that a 93 or94 short barreled rifle left the factory that way or if it was changed out later or if it even mattered.In point would it affect the value of the gun.

[marlin 1893]

Gunrunner:Thanks for Bill"s site he has some really nice gun's at some pretty fair prices and the one thing I noticed for sure is that they all look honest.Don't you just wish these old gun's could talk. Some where I read that in the early 1900's marlin had a overrun of these short rifle,and I think they were sold here. I can't remember how many.I guess one could only wonder if this gun ever made it down south. Thank's again.

[marlin 1893]

Gunrunner I have given some thought on there being so many more short barrel carbines in the 1889 than the 1893 i seem to recall there were several 1894's to.I think with the new 30-30 smokeless just out, it would have been a hard to advertise the new flat shooting rifle, then also offer a 15 inch barrel that would greatly reduce it's performance .The 1893 was really pushed as a hunting rifle for those long range shots.Every deer hunters dream.By this time and era anyone buying the 1889 or the 1884 were not interested in a long range rifle so that might explain the lower numbers for the 1893