Strange #3 Ballard

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Strange #3 Ballard

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I recently purchased a couple rifles from a man back East, and got some poor cell phone pictures prior to agreeing on the price. But the price was very reasonable, so I felt no matter what they were I wasn't getting hurt. One was a Remington Rolling Block Sporting shotgun, and the other a special order Ballard #3.
The Ballard #3 was in great shape, with a excellent bore, and had a special order tang sight, plus special order shotgun buttplate stock. Unusual for a #3 that normally has a steel crescent buttplate. But more unusual were the features and serial numbers. It's a early JM Marlin stamped receiver, but has a serial number that's higher than any JM Marlin marked Ballard I've ever seen? John Marlin incorporated in 1881 and the company name changed to Marlin Firearms Co., and a new rollstamp for Ballards began around 1881-1882 era. That change happened around serial numbers in the 9000 range, but this JM Marlin #3 is in the 18,000 range, about double the norm and should make it a 1886-87 era manufacture. It has all the features of an early JM Marlin Ballard, but how it got later serial numbers is nuts. I took it all apart to ensure it wasn't mixed parts, but numbers match on receiver, barrel, block halves, buttstock, and forearm. While checking numbers I also discovered Birmingham England proof marks under the barrel, and on the left side of the receiver and breech block.
Puzzled by the whole rifle, and can't think of a logical explanation for how it could have been completed pre 1881, and get the old rollstamp, but not be serial numbered until 5-6 years later?

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I took a chance and emailed the Birmingham Proof House in England, and asked if they possibly kept old records of firearms in the 1800's they proofed? I got a reply from the curator at Birmingham this morning asking for the serial number on my Ballard, and said he will send all the info they have records on this rifle! Considering there are no records on any Ballard rifles ever built, this is pretty exciting to at least date when this Ballard was sent to England and got proofed. Plus which company or gun dealer brought it to the house to be proofed!
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Got a return email from the museum at Birmingham, and was told all their records were destroyed during bombing in WWII. Why it took so long to tell me this when they were told when my Ballard was made, i just don't know. But it appears their records are no more for pre WWII firearms.
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